Any way to automatically re-layout a flowchart?

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I created a flowchart based on the template (new-flowchart)
I added a bunch of nodes and connections (total about 50)
Now my map is a bit of a mess, and can't seem to be able to automatically re-layout my map.

Is there a way to select all my nodes and have mindmanager reformat everything based on connections etc... I can only use the Design/Layout option on individual nodes or if I create a doc using the blank map templates... but no way to apply to entire map on a project created with blank templates/flowchart.

What am I missing?
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Wilhelm

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Have you tried doing a 'Balance Map' first to get the Main Topics balanced around the Central Topic?  Perhaps that could help getting the structure back at a high level, from which you can then apply Automatic layouts to selected main topics.  (You can try selecting multiple main topics by holding Ctrl and clicking through them, or Ctrl+A to select all and then Layout/Map.)   IHTH.
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(Just in case:  have you tried selecting just the Central Topic and clicking Layout/Map?)
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Balance map is greyd out
Layout drop down has no effect

(I'm evaluating trial if that helps)
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Mert

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ctrl-alt-b does nothing (pressed simultaneously)
layout/map also does nothing. When I select the first topic, the menu is available (map, tree, etc) but they do nothing.
When I select all, the menu is greyed out.
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Do you think you can share the map somehow?  Can you publish it perhaps?
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Mert

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I will upload to drive as soon as I get back. Thank you !
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this is a simpler version I made real quick as you can see, this was built using the flowchart blank template (New-blank template-Flowchart). I added a few topics and connections and caused it to be a mess by using various alignments until it was pretty much a mess like it oftens happens to me.

What I would like to know is if there is a way in Mindmanager to automagically re-layout my flowchart and if it can, if there is a way to control the order in which they are evaluated.

Perhaps I'm not using it in its intended purpose but it is what is intuitive for me...
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Ary Velstra, Expert Trainer

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Flowcharts are NOT really -part of - a mindmap.
They show in Green instead of the Blue color for mindmaps.

This does not change the order of topics, but in fact takes care that there are NO subtopics.

And the consequence is, that you cannot use Balance Map if you are in a Flowchart part.
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So what you're saying is I'm not using it the way its meant to ? :(
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To follow up Ary's comments, it's important to realise that flowcharts (and concept maps) in MindManager are not conventional mind maps. Instead they are really just collections of specially-formatted floating topics joined by relationship lines.

As such flowcharts and concept maps are not affected by map balancing or layout commands. These can only be applied to conventional MindManager maps, with branches containing successive levels of sub-topics linked to a central topic.

Layout changes can be applied to floating topics, but only to change the layout of any conventional sub-topics attached to them.

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I understand... sadly, the input method used in the mindmaps are very appealing and the ability to use the other shapes would be amazing... I've tried so many other tools (Visio, smartdraw, yed, etc) and all do way too much to my liking. I was hoping mindmanager could also solve my moderate flowcharts as well... 
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I spent hours yesterday trying to work out how to get MindManager to tidy the layout of my flowchart to no avail.

I think when it comes to flowcharting, it's about learning and applying the rules of designing and creating good flowcharts and perfecting with practice.

This helped me immediately:

https://www.smartdraw.com/flowchart/flowchart-tips.htm

However, I'm now tempted to use split paths instead of traditional decision symbols, which really are a space consuming pain - will stick with them for convention-sake.

If anyone has flowchart auto-formatting MindManager knowledge, please do share.

James.
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My main problems are sprawl and complexity. I recommend keeping your original sprawling flowchart for reference and saving a working copy to make modifications on. 

Undock functionality on a 2-or-more monitor set-up is really good for this.
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kinda seems a little counter-intuitive tho doesn't it ? The logic for it seems to be available for other types of mindmap documents
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Not really. If you accept that MindMaps and connectors are far simpler to balance and layout than Flowcharts and the relationships between their elements.

WIth Mindmaps it's simply about distance and balance between topics. Now imagine the mess that could get made if you tried to apply the same logic to flowcharts.
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In my diagramming convention I have always used SPLIT paths for an AND situation and the Decision Symbol for any OR situation
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