Bake ResultsManager Functionality In

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I'd like to see RM-like functionality baked right into MM. Something that creates a map index that links to all the other maps. The uber-map approach I'm currently using is unwieldy. And don't want to have to depend on 3rd party plugins that seem to break w/ea new release of MM.

I've used RM for years and it's a great product. MJ should just buy the product, bring it in-house and make sure dev is kept apace with ea new MM release.
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Walter Terry

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Alex Gooding, Champion

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Be careful what you wish for.

Mindjet have a record of buying specialised add-ins like Results Manager and then taking out the more complicated features (which are often the reason that people bough the add-in in the first place), effectively dumbing them down to make them more user friendly. This was the fate of the great Power Markers add-in which Mindjet purchased and then drastically altered, taking out key features and leaving us with the marker index.

To be fair to  Mindjet it is sometimes difficult to make these add-ins consistent with the user interface, and there is a risk that inexperienced users can get confused by the depth and complexity of features they don't really understand.

I used to think the "everything but the kitchen sink" approach was the best way to go, but now I'm not so sure. However now I believe that it's better for MM to have a strong set of core features, but with the more complex add-ins remaining as add-ins which specialist users can download if they need them. This means that the  key features of these add-ins which are often difficult to standardise don't have to be simplified so they can be incorporated in the normal user interface - or at least that there is no temptation for Mindjet to try to do this!

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Since I run 3 businesses off MM, I can't imagine a stronger addition to core features than to enable MM to sweep all the maps and pull together all the action items and be able to filter according to the view you need -- all in one map with links back to the original maps and actions.

Seems to be a glaring omission to me, something a ResultsManager-type function would complete quite nicely. Far from the "everything but the kitchen sink" approach," as you (mis)characterized my feature request. 

But our difference of opinion on this seems to be a philosophical difference more than anything else.

Like any growing company responding to market forces, Mindjet has had some stumbles. However, the things they have done right far outweigh those. And, let's not forget they are still the top mindmapping app for a reason.
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I agree that despite its shortcomings MindManager is still the best mind mapping application, at least on PCs (Macs and tablets are a different matter) and that our differences are primarily philosophical.

The problem of establishing a core feature set is establishing what that core is. As I've said previously the problem with the "80:20 rule" (ie, that 80% of users use only 20% of the features) is that nobody's 20% is the same as anyone else's. However while Results Manager is a great feature for power users, especially those who manage multiple projects across a range of maps, it isn't for everyone.

For example I'm a fairly heavy user of MM but I haven't as yet started using RM. Because I sync tasks with Outlook I've "rolled my own" dashboard system where I set up the individual project maps, sync the tasks to Outlook and then use Outlook queries to pull the tasks back into a dashboard map in MM, with various branches organised by the task due date.

This worked well - or at least it did until Mindjet discontinued support for the previous Power Markers add-in which provided fine-grained conditional formatting combined with the active legend facility. This enabled me to see easily via topic formatting when tasks were due. Because of the demise of Power Markers I may have to revisit RM as an alternative.

However the story of Power Markers provides a cautionary tale and a good example of Mindjet's approach to add-ins. Partly because of the practical difficulties involved in maintaining consistency in the user interface but also because the desire to minimise complexity, Mindjet insist on retaining only what they think are the key features, possibly to maximise the add-in's appeal to a wider group of users.

My point is that if you think Mindjet can be trusted with RM then fine. Personally I have a lot of respect for the company and what it's done with MM, but I'm afraid that they just don't seem to get the value of the add-ins that they have purchased and often strip out the very features that attracted power users in the first place. I fear that if they acquired RM, it could suffer the same fate.

Perhaps, just possibly, the answer lies in MM reverting to two versions to accommodate this - a "lite" version with a strong core feature set, along with a "pro" version incorporating additional features as well as RM and other selected add-ins.

Edited for logic and to remove some typos.

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Thierry Lutece

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Walter , I further agree with this sentence :  “I can't imagine a stronger addition to core features than to enable MM to sweep all the maps and pull together all the action items and be able to filter according to the view you need -- all in one map with links back to the original maps and actions.”

ResulsManager also allows for the result in the task pane. The advantage is that it's faster.

I started working with ResultsManager since scripting feature of the Power Markers  have not been supported by Mindjet. I do not regret my time and financial investment.

For me the important thing is that the features covered by ResultsManager exist and this continues even if there is new versions of Mindjet.

Sorry, my english may not be correct. 

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If Mindjet do decide to incorporate ResultManager into MindManager then I would be very fearful that they will limit it's usability and functionality as they have done when they acquired other perfectly good add-ins. In recent incarnations of MindManager, Mindjet have done more to limit power users than to help them achieve better time management that is linked to detailed project management.

ResultsManager is truly an innovative add-in. However, I can understand the developers being a little wary of developing it only to find that Mindjet crippled it's full functionality in the version of MindManager and not even been told that such changes are forthcoming.