Have full feature parity of Windows and Mac versions

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"In today's multi-platform world, cooperation between different operating systems is a necessity, as is cooperation through the ""cloud"".
MindManager has been a trailblazer here in some respects, but has not gone the whole way. Making all features available in the Mac version would help cooperation in big firms and academia greatly!"
(from Andreas Busch)
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"Much to my disappointment, MJ has continued to either ignore or simply failed to develop parity with Windows. Those of us on the MM Mac 8 beta voiced this years ago. However, let me punctuate the subtle costs: I recently demo'd the concept of mind-mapping to two key executives of a 15,000 member organization. They loved it and immediately asked about acquiring licenses. The company uses PCs much to their consternation since they both used Mac iPads, iPhones, and MacBooks at home. It is at home that they get most of their ""real"" work done. When I explained the shortcomings in MM for Mac vs PC, they then immediately asked about other MM programs with parity. There are a few seemingly minor features essential to collaborative work in the PC version like the Review Comments which negate the need for email to collect feedback and comments on issues. This small feature is a HUGE time saver. I agree with Andreas, if you are going to embrace the cloud, the versions must have parity in all features." [from Sylven 'Brady' Reed]
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"This is for me the number one improvement I would suggest.
I'm a Mac user as well and I use now the windows Mindmanager version within a windows virtual session on my Mac. It works fine in itself but no integration at all with my MAC MS-office environment. I'l still stick to the windows version for functionality purposes, however I would immediate move to a MAC version if it is as close as the Windows version. And bare in mind there are nowadays an incredible lot Apple users. iPad and Mac users. Although it may look like that not many Mac versions of Mindmanager are sold. I think that there are a lot of Mac user struggling like me with a MS-windows version on the Mac and thats a pity. " [from Vincent Slootmans]
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"I absolutely agree. And, I suggest a hybrid software or at least a flexible license so that we can install MM on a Mac and a PC, instead of only 2 Macs or 2 PCs." [from mentalwaves]
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"it's not only about parity but just simple compatibility here! I have huge issues with (complex) files made in the windows version, which don't even render correctly in the mac version.
There are huge issues with annotations. Since I use MindManager for my PhD it's not so much about hierarchic levels but more about details and additional informations on each hierarchic level. So I regularly used annotations added to comments (via border/brace), and this does not work a single bit in the Mac version.
Also, since I have connections between different branches, I'd like to put different annotations on the connections, which is impossible with mac.

So, parity would be nice, even synchronization via the Cloud (which I work around with DropBox), but I simply would be happy with basic compatibility in features.

Thanks for reading (and trying to understand) this,

Phil (from Germany, sorry for my clumsy English)" [from Phil]
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"update to my last comment: just installed the update to 9.0.214 and the comment issue seems to be fixed. that would be great, even brilliant!
I'll test it through and keep you updated.
Phil" [from Phil]
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"You are absolutely right Andreas, Mac users are asking for this since years.

@MichaelDeutch: Your comment is really pathetic. A major undertaking??? What a poor understanding of entrepreneurship is this? Users are begging u guys for those features since years! Start being a real company and hire some mac developers and dare to come up to the challenge instead of whining about a ""major undertaking"".

You should think about rejuvenating your management. U guys seriously don't know about keeping up with the trends." [from santiago]
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"I posted a lot of suggestions for the Windows version or voted for some. It would be stupid to do the same again for the Mac. I simply need the same functionality on both platforms. If it would be allowed, then I would use all my ten votes for the parity we all expect. There shouldn't exist any relevant differences!" [from mentalwaves]
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I have used Mindjet for YEARS. I have bought dozens of clients for myself and others. I am about to abandon ship. The MAC solution is very limited to the Windows client and what's worse simple things like the CR for CRLF variation between platforms means that a group can't share mindmaps across platforms. That really needs to be fixed!

Btw, your webform doesn't allow me to log into facebook, linkedin, or google. Fail.
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(to my last point about not being able to login in ... the fail was trying to login prior to posting but apparently when you post not logged in it works)
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Just enquired about export to Powerpoint and find that the Mac version does a really pathetic job: your first slide comes as a picture and the rest as unusable text. Why even put the option of PP if it is so totally unusable? Potential purchasers should be warned. Otherwise, very frustratingly I like MindJet. Grrr.
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I have been asking for that for years. I switch 3 years ago, give up MM 8 for windows and did all upgrades from MM 7 to MM 9 for mac. I agree that even now MM9 don't even come close to MM8 for windows. It's really desappointing with MS Office as outlook is not taken into account.

When I work on stand alone I keep using MM but to share easily with my customer I now use XMIND (open source and free).

Hope MJ will do somethink for the rest of us as I really enjoy the tools.
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Also would like very much to see this. It's become better, but for example I can't even download and edit maps done in Mindjet Connect on the mac, it won't allow me. And don't tell me they are more complex than the mac version can handle.
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Hi there,
I wanted to make you aware that an upgrade to MindManager for Mac 9 became available yesterday providing full support for Connect. Check out our blog for more info - http://tinyurl.com/734oajb.

Best,
Pam
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I have talked with Mindjet "help" a couple months ago about the simple function of exporting a map to Word - Windows works fine and as I'd expect with formatting choices working. Mac version is so bad as to be unusable. The "workaround" given is of no help unless I want to go through the newly created word doc line-by-line to indent properly. No help as to a timeframe with they might have Mac up to speed, either.
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Should mention I have quit using MM for the time being unless they can make the two versions of equal quality.
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I hope Mindjet take note. It really is appalling the lack of focus that the Mac product has received. Julia, if I can ask ... what are you using for mindmapping in the interim or have you gone off of mindmapping altogether?
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Hi ksnyde,

I do all my meeting notes on a mind map, and also all my course planning (university level). So mindmapping is hugely important to me. I have started using/testing Curio- http://www.zengobi.com/ -which is only available for Mac, unfortunately. It does export well to text or rtf which is fine for Word or Pages. There are lots of features not in MM, which makes me wonder why MM isn't beefing up their product. Oh, it also imports/exports with MM (and lots of other apps) so if you have mixed OS computers or want to integrate with other apps you are not out of luck.

Glad to share, maybe others on this discussion have other options they have found.
Julia
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Try MindView on the app store... It worked for me.
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I'm downloading the trial version now. Look at the comparison chart! http://www.matchware.com/en/products/...
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Is anyone from Mindjet monitoring this discussion? I've filled out two surveys from Mindjet in the past 3 months and yet have no idea what the roadmap for OSX looks like.

I am on the ledge and need someone to talk me down from jumping.
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Hi ksnyde,
Yes, we're minding this discussions, and thank you for completing those surveys. Results of the feature parity survey specifically validated the direction we're headed with the Mac product this year - continued Connect integration, significant performance improvements, and closing the feature gap with the most missed features first.

Thanks,
Pam
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Pamela,

I'm glad to hear that but I will say that I worry that the survey was designed in a way that would confirm views rather than challenge them. To me the top three list should be:

  1. Make Windows and Mac files compatible WRT to CR/LF!

  2. Your product stands out from others due to its visual attention to detail

  3. Yet people with shared Mac/Windows platforms effectively can't work together all because of a silly CR/LF issue? Really? That is very easy to fix yet very destructive visually when sharing.


  4. Mac needs to support template editing and templates in general

  5. Being able to specify that Level 1 should look like this and Level 2 like that is great and works quite well on the Windows product

  6. The fact that you can use these templates in Mac but not edit them is very frustrating indeed

  7. And then the fact that even though they're clearly meant to follow the template rules they don't do it well. The obvious break is when you drag and drop an item from one level to another and it's original styling is maintained rather than adapting to the new layer it's on. Yes you can navigate to the "set as default format" option in the pulldown but that's cumbersome and reduces it's function as a dynamic brainstorming tool.


  8. Work out the bugs! Sweat the small stuff

  9. You can add a URL to a link and then right-click the URL icon to copy it to the clipboard. Doesn't work. It just doesn't attach to the clipboard. Annoying.

  10. Why can't you get the FavIcon image of the links the way you in windows? It adds something most of the time; this is a nice-to-have by itself but there are load of little things like this that are missing in the Mac product

  11. Why is there no keyboard shortcut to bring up the Text/Notes window? That has been around forever in Windows and is highly useful

  12. Up until recently -- and this may still happen -- the text/notes area could easily get corrupted and made unusable. This is a massive red flag and I've almost stopped using it for this reason alone!

  13. More than anything else ... this death by a thousand cuts ... eats at you and ruins the experience that a product in your price point should bring




Why items like Connect are there I have no idea. That is really surprising that people value it highly. For myself and every I know who uses mindjet the important things are being able to use non-mindjet ways of moving things around as we will always need to collaborate with non-licensed users. Things like Dropbox integration (although in many ways this is easy enough now). The ability to package up your maps in a zip and send via email (this does work in OSX mostly). These are the critical aspects of being able to share effectively. I will say I miss the old ability to export a dynamic PDF where it used the free "player" that users could download rather than having to send oversized PDF's every time. Where there are many mindmaps that need sending this is cumbersome to the point of breaking. Maybe I'm out of step with the demand here but I wonder.

In any event, I wait with baited breath to hear what the feature list looks like for Version 10. Is there a rough timeframe that you're expecting this to be delivered to?

BTW, your website doesn't allow for indented bullets so my THREE points looks like ABOUT 12. Oops. Here they are again in short form ...


  1. Make Windows and Mac files compatible WRT to CR/LF!
  2. Mac needs to support template editing and templates in general
  3. Work out the bugs! Sweat the small stuff
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Hi ksnyde,
That's a great list and thanks for the short-form clarification. The timing of your input is spot-on as we are currently firmly in the midst of planning for 10. We also hope to have a point release in support of Mountain Lion which should address more bugs.

To answer your question, the rough timeframe for Mac 10 is Q4, hopefully November.

Thank you again for being an active and engaged participant in our Mac product roadmap.

Best,
Pam
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I want to see feature parity between the Mac and Windows versions. I've been using MM for Mac since version 6 and it really is the poor relation. I'm about to upgrade to Lion because MobileMe expires shortly and found that version 8 isn't compatible. I didn't find version 9 to be a compelling upgrade so held off and now I have to pay $129 just to use the software in Lion.

Feature parity will be a compelling upgrade.
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Hi Damon,
Rest assured, the Mac product team is working on closing the parity gap with the 10 release.

In the meantime, we've offered Version 8 customers on Lion a discounted upgrade path to version 9.5 for $29 USD. We also offer you the ability to add Connect Business seats at 50% off of list price. Contact Customer Service to receive this offer and mention the Community post. You will need your Version 8 MindManager for Mac key to determine eligibility to upgrade.
Customer Service: https://secure.mindjet.com/support/co...
Please ensure that you select your country to receive the correct version of MindManager for Mac 9.5

Best,
Pam
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Hello Pamela,

Thanks for your message. Unfortunately, I'm in the UK and I've been told that the offer is only eligible for the US and I have to pay the full upgrade price in the UK. Can this be extended to the UK too please?

Regards,

Damon Casey.
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Hi Damon,
Yes, it is extended to the UK and worldwide so is available to you now.

Best,
Pam
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I hope 10 brings the simple function, available in Windows MM forever, of being able to create a linked child map from a branch. Every other mindmapping program for Mac does this; MindManager Windows does it. Why ignore this essential function in the Mac version? I have been lamenting this lack, vociferously, to MJet for years, since having to convert to Mac in my office in 2008.

And export to Excel would be nice! I see it is there in MMWindows, but can't find it in my recent upgrade to 9.5.416! (Why is MMMac such a Cinderella?)

By the way, ksnyde asked: "Why is there no keyboard shortcut to bring up the Text/Notes window? That has been around forever in Windows and is highly useful." The keyboard shortcut has been around in the Mac version and fortunately still exists in 9.5.416 (my latest version): Command Option N toggles notes window on & off. It also, handily, puts your cursor after the last point in your last entry, and I hope hope hope that they never accidentally drop that habit! I use it umpteen times a day!
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Jessica,

You can add links to other mind-maps within a mindmap using the Mac client, right? I do this all the time. Maybe I don't understand the feature you're referring to.

WRT to the hotkey for notes ... thank you! That will be VERY handy.

Ken
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Hi Ken, yes, I know about adding links. The feature I'm referring to is somewhat different, although links are involved.

Say you're doing a mindmap, and one branch becomes so overladen it needs to be on its own map ... for example, say I'm brainstorming with my group a new promotion campaign, and one branch is "Social Media," and it is getting complex. In every mindmapping program that I know of, including MindManager for Windows, you can just right-click (or equivalent), and "Create new linked child map from branch" (or words to that effect). Lo, this overladen branch populates a new child map, with the center topic "Social Media," with a link back to the mother map; and back on the mother map, you just see the stub of the now-denuded branch, called Social Media , and a link, letting you know that this branch and its overladen twigs now reside on their own tidy child map. Clicking on the links takes you too and fro. This is wonderful! I've used it for years and years, doing big brainstormings at big companies.

But MM for Mac has NEVER included this feature. The work-around is PAINFUL. To compare the MM for Windows (and all other mindmapping programs that I know of) steps with the MM for Mac work-around:

MindManager Windows:

Step 1: right click on branch “Social Media"
Step 2: choose Export as a new linked map
Step 3: Save the new map. Be still mah beatin’ heart.

Now, however, let us look at the work-around in the Mac version:

Step 1: Click on and copy the branch “Social Media”
Step 2: Command New to open a new map
Step 3: click on the central topic of the new map and paste “Social Media”; unfortunately, this pastes “Social Media” and its subtopics as subtopics off the Central Topic, so now we have to deal with how to get “Social Media” as the central topic:
Step 4: Rename the central topic as Social Media
Step 5: Command-Shift-Delete on the first-level topic “Social Media” so that its subtopics are now nestled around the central topic
Step 6: Click on “Balance Map” (because it's all askew by now)
Step 7: Save the map
Step 8: Click on the central topic Social Media, and insert hyperlink (have to navigate thru filing structure to the mother map), to connect back to mother map
Step 9: On the mother map, click on the branch Social Media and insert hyperlink (navigate through filing structure), to connect to the new sub map
Step 10: On the mother map, select and delete all the subtopics off Social Media, leaving just the “naked” topic Social Media, with the link visible to the submap so one knows that there IS a submap on this topic, and one knows not to augment this topic on the mother page, but to work on its linked submap.

It will come as no surprise that I have simply stopped using MindManager for Mac as a brainstorming tool in groups, because I simply can't do this 10-step process on the fly. (I work at a big college in Cambridge, Mass., and I would never use MindManager for Mac in "public" because of this absent feature.) (And neither do I recommend it for my Mac colleagues.)

In 4 years I've never received a straight answer from anybody at MindJet about why this essential feature has been excluded from the Mac version. I had great hopes for 9.5.416. Dashed! (Unless it's hiding somewhere.)

As I have pointed out to them on many occasions, it's as if in Word for Mac you couldn't do Headers/Footers, and had to fudge a work-around. Or if in Excel for Mac you couldn't create a new sheet in a workbook. i.e. a fundamental expected function totally missing.

Even in what I suspect was the first software for mindmapping, by the Scottish company Cedar Software back in the Jurassic Era (1990?), you could create a linked child map from a mother map.

Jessica
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I would also like to see this feature. This would be incredibly useful for offloading large branches.
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Hi Jessica and Damon,
It's on our roadmap for 10 along with several other high priority items. We'll keep this forum abreast of progress as we get closer to the release date.

Best,
Pam
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That is a nice feature and as a long time windows user (before switching to the white-side a year ago) I'm embarrassed that I never realised it was there. Add me to the list of people who would like to see this.
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It's a great feature! I have (pre-Mac) extensive mother maps with linked babies, grandbabies, great-grandbabies ... I use mindmapping for everything (organizing, "wrinking" [writing-thinking], brainstorming, planning), and I miss this "create linked child map" feature!
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I posted this elsewhere but as a user of MM since it was introduced in 1992(?) I previously trained in Buzans mapping system on paper. iMindmap is fast catching up and their visulaization is as it is shown in Buzan's book from way back. It has a feature to import MM maps too so is a real threat to MM.

How about enhancing MM to provide better visualization?