How can I draw an unconnected line? Or create swim-lanes?

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Hello 

Is there any way to draw a line that is not connected to anything?
e.g. I would like to create a diagram with "swim-lanes"...

Currently I am working in a Radial Map. But maybe I could convert it into some other type of map... (e.g. Concept Map or Flow Diagram ??)

J
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Hello Alec Stewart
Have you tried to find these obvious answers yourself??

Swim lanes are standard available as a separate diagram type.
You find them under new etc.
Once you made a flowchart most of the facilities of a radial map are available.
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Apologies - I was trying hard to NOT use a Flowchart (or Concept Map) mainly because I couldn't work out how to convert my Radial Map into a Flowchart. (Plus I was worried about thing like roll-ups not working...)

As there doesn't seem to be any way to do a  "save as a Flow Chart",  it seems they that they are totally different types of file.  If so then I was worried about which features would still work within Flow Chart files.  

OK, I have now I tried pasting my content from my Radial Map into my new Flow Chart file.  In the event, some things don't transfer - e.g.  My new flags & Names of colours.  But I will also need to change all my links back out to the new file which will be tedious.

When you say 
> Swim lanes are standard available as a separate diagram type.
I'm not trying to be clever (I promise!) but what do you mean by "a separate diagram type"?

If I go to File ==> New ==> Flow Charts ==> (templates) Horizontal Swim Lanes,
for all the world it appears seems that the file is still a standard Flow Chart type,  but that the "swim lines" have been drawn in as a Relationship between two boxes

And if that turns out to be the ONLY way to get swimlanes, then I guess I would be better staying with my original Radial Map, no? 

PS But I am happy to move to a Flow Charts type file if there are other benefits (which is seems entirely possible!)
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MindManager sees a difference between diagram types, Topic-Layouts and Views.

This is well explained and described by Stephen Bashford of Mindjet in this webinar (start at minute 4 and goes till minute 6)

http://emea.mindjet.eu/_media2016/en/events/webinar/2017_03_23_New_timeline_diagrams/2017_03_23_New_...
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Thanks. OK I have watched that quite carefully and I'm not 100% what the difference between the three concepts (Diagram types, Topic layouts, Views) actually is.

But from what I can see there is just one kind of Mindjet Mindmanager Map (.mmap) FILE but within it you can insert various "Topic Layouts". A Topic Layout means that the currently selected Topic can then have things connected to it according to the specific layout rules of that Layout. 

From what I can see (by right-clicking on any topic) MM2017 lets you have the following Layouts :

- Map 
- Right Map

- Tree
- Tree Split Tree
- Adaptive Map

- Org-chart
- Up Org-Chart
- Split Org-chart

- Flow Chart

- Timeline
- Vertical Timeline


The webinar video talked about a Topic Layout called "Node"  - "...which is used to create Flow Charts, Swim Lane Charts as well as Concept Maps...". However I can see no Layout called "Node".

Can anyone explain to me what the differences are between "Diagram Type", "Topic Layout" and "Views" is?

e.g. Is a View a temporary thing and does a View apply to the whole .mmap file at once?

Fwiw, I searched for "diagram type" on 
http://onlinehelp.mindjet.com/help/Mindmanager/17_1/EN/mindmanager_help.htm
and found no results.

Many thanks

J
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John, I think all the layouts can be traced back to the layout types of the Topics you're using. For example, see the screenshot below: I started with a Central Topic that is formatted with a Map layout, then added a couple of Floating Topics which have Flowchart, Timeline, Tree and Org Chart layout.

Choosing one of the new map templates just changed the layout of the first topic of your map. You can still combine all the layouts in one file.

To get back to your original question: to add lines or swimlanes or lines, you'll currently have to fiddle around a bit to create two Floating Topics with a line in between and then 'hiding' the topics connected to the lines by removing their Line Color and Fill Color.

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Mathieu....  I don't know why but ....John Smith is an alias of Alec Stewart....
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I may or may not be Alec Stewart the famous cricketer for England.  In truth I don't really care what you call me... but on balance I prefer to be called John. Out of interest where on earth did you get the idea that my name is Alec?  


Correct me if I've got this wrong...

It took me a while to work it out but rather than have completely separate file types for different types of diagram, what MindManager has is just one type of data file - Mindmanager Map file (.mmap) - which can contain any number of Topic Layouts. 

i.e. You can take any individual topic and you can change what "Topic Layout" it is. The real affect  of this is to change how child topics are laid out  when you add them to that topic. 

However it seems MindManager covertly distinguishes internally between hierarchical and non-hierarchical Topic Layouts.  i.e. Even after child topics have been added, any hierarchical layout can be subsequently changed into any other hierarchical layout.  This mean that (e.g.) Radial Map, Right Map, Tree Map,  Org-Map and even Timelines can all be changed into each other after they have had 'child' data added.
But once hierarchical topic has data it can no longer be changed into a non-hierarchical Layout.

Perhaps surprisingly, non-hierarchical topic layouts (i.e. Flow Charts & Concept Maps) are different and can be changed into hierarchical topics. But once hierarchical data has been added, they may not be changed back again. 

From what I can see each .mmap file does still have one "Central Topic", which is different mainly because you can't delete it.

J

PS Wrinkle:
What is odd is that if you create a file starting with a "map" template of any sort that is hierarchical (e.g. using a Radial Map, Right Map, Tree Map, Org-Map or Timeline template)  but not a Concept Map nor Flow diagram template as (they are non-hierarchical), then you are then never able to change the 1st topic on the new map (i.e. the "Central Topic") into a non-hierarchical Topic Layout (e.g.a Flow Diagram or a Concept  Map).

And so for maximum flexibility maybe it's best to start with a Flow Chart or Concept Map as you could always change the first topic to a Map of some sort (??)

Sorry so long - no time to write it shorter!
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John, the basic difference between hierarchical and concept maps/flow charts is that the latter are basically floating topics with specialised shapes joined together with specially formatted relationship lines.
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Thanks. I still find it curious how you cant change a Central Topic in map created using a hierarchical template back into a concept map/flow chart...