How can I format a limb that every single level has the same limb lenght?

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I have several subpoints on one level and thus I would like to have this now a bit more organised and structred. Therefore my question: How can i format the limbs that every single level looks the same and has the same lenght?

Thanks a lot in advance!
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As far as I know there are only two ways to achieve this. The first is to simply back-fill the Topic Text with spaces until the Topic width matched (or is as near as possible) the other Siblings in the Sub-Topic Tree.

The second way is to individually format the right hand margin of each topic until they all align as you want. To do this:
  • right click the Topic
  • select Format Topic
  • select the Size and Margins tab
  • adjust the right hand margin to suit your Map

These are the only ways I am aware of. Perhaps another user/member may have an additional method.

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Hi Lenn,

Like Nigel I'm going to assume you are talking about standard topic widths, not topic line lengths.

As Nigel has indicated there is no simple way of achieving this . You can set the maximum preferred width and MM should wrap the topic text at that point, but it is difficult to get a topic with a line of text shorter than the preferred width to stretch out to match this width.

Nigel has described the main options for achieving your outcome. There is a third way which is a little more complicated initially and also assumes you are not using too many colours (more on this in a moment) but is relatively straightforward  when it is set up.

This method depends on inserting a graphic into a topic. Generally speaking when you do this you can force the topic text to be at least the minimum size of the graphic. This will fix the minimum topic width; MM won't resize the graphic though you can do this manually.

Normally if someone mentions a graphic you think of a picture, but as far as MM is concerned this can be a thin line, just as long as it's a graphic file. So one option is to save a thin line the same colour as the topic fill colour and insert that in the topic - and simplest way to get such a line is from a blank topic of the same colour. Hence the comment that this works best if you have a limited colour palate.

So the steps are as follows:

  1. Create a blank topic in the colour you want and using the space bar, make the topic the a bit wider than the minimum width you need.
  2. Open up the Windows snipping tool and draw a horizontal rectangular box as thin as possible to the desired length inside the blank topic. Make sure that the box doesn't touch the topic borders and save the resulting snip as a JPEG image file.
  3. Open up another topic in the same colour and use the Insert Image from File to paste the image file you have just saved in the topic.
  4. Right click on the topic, select Format Topic and in the Alignment tab select Bottom under image alignment. Then on the Size and Margins tab set a Preferred width that's the same size or slightly smaller than the approximate width of the graphic you saved.
  5. Open the Map Parts task pane and click on Add Selected Topic to save the topic. You can now paste it where you want it in the map.
The topic should now hold the topic width even if the line of text is longer or shorter than the width set by the graphic. There are a few limitations however. Obviously if you change the fill colour the line will be visible. The other issue is that even if you make the saved line as thin as possible  the image file is thicker and will noticeably increase the topic depth, with an obvious space underneath. If this is an issue you can use Shift + Enter at the beginning of the text line to insert a blank line above the text to balance the
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I just realised my post is incomplete - the final line should read "... to balance the gap underneath".

However please note that as Nigel suggests below you can reduce Padding for the inserted line graphic on the Format Topic dialogue box Size and Margins tab to zero, which largely closes up this vertical gap. Consequently you probably don't need to balance the space with a blank line above the text.

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Good one Alex! I had not thought of this. Could you not use a transparent image to get around the issue of the Topic Fill Color changes?
Altering the Padding setting might help close up any gaps as well.
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Hi Nigel, thanks for the response and the suggestions.

I should have thought to look at altering the padding and you're right - it does largely close up the vertical gap between the text and the line. I'll put an addendum to my instructions to reflect this.

I think your suggestion of a transparent image is a great idea and would work provided you could create one easily (and I'm open to suggestions on that). You can't do this with the snipping tool so if that's the only option available then the method I suggested is probably the best.

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Alex,

Creating transparent images is not easy unless you have a decent image editor so here is a link to a zip that contains some transparent png's.

http://www.olympic-limited.co.uk/files/Temp/Transparent%201px%20Lines.zip

The images are all 1 pixel in width and are 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 pixels in length.

Have a play and let me know if they work.

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Thanks Nigel. It bring 1:00am here I'm off to bed so I'll play with these (later) in the morning and let you know how I go.

I know it might be tricky to manage something you can't see, but would it be possible to include something like this in the MAP add-in? Speaking of which, is there an upgrade price for MAP from Opti-add-in?

And is there a version of Word X for MM15 yet? I had a few problems with WordX in 14.3. Once the template was applied editing topics would produce an error message (object missing, I think). Editing would still work but obviously this slowed things up a bit. If and when it is released what will be the upgrade price?

Also is there an MM15 upgrade price for Network Builder ( which is something else I had problems using with MM14.3)?

Regards

Alex
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Hi Alex,

Good idea on the MAP for MindManager add-in. OPTi-Add-ins 2.0 users can have a free license to replace their existing one. I'll send you one this evening.

I am working on WordX for MindManager 15 now and hopefully this will be available tomorrow. The error you mention on the 14,3 version has been fixed and if you re-download WordX this should solve the issue.

There is no upgrade price for Network Builder as your current license will work with the MindManager 15 version. This is only available for 32 Bit at the moment though.

As soon as I have any further news I'll let you know.

Nigel
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Hi Nigel,

Thanks for the responses. I'm looking forward on particular to the MM15 version of WordX, one of my favourite add-ins.

Incidentally one thing I've always wanted either as an add-in or preferably integrated into MM is a facility to export MM slides as images which can be incorporated into PowerPoint slides, Word documents etc (you may recall Andrew Wilcox and I posted a few ideas on how to do this based on MM's web export facility).

Recently I stumbled across ImagePrinter Pro which does a great job but is probably overkill for this task and may be a little pricey for some - I've described the process on my blog.

Therefore I think this would be an area where someone could team up with a developer of image printing drivers and produce something that was simpler and bit cheaper as an add-in. Ideally like ImagePrinter it would incorporate a print to PDF facility and it would be great if it could incorporate image printing of the Gantt chart as well (ImagePrinter can do this but it has to be done separately to image printing the slides).

Regards

Alex
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Hi Alex,

I am working on a solution for a generic export of Map images (basically an image of the complete Map and then an image of each Main Topic as it is displayed at the time of the export).

I am thinking something that sends to either a folder, Powerpoint, Word and OneNote as a starting point.

It would not be too feature laden like WordX but more about making the production of the images and the transfer into the target quick and easy so you can then get started on the formatting and other content.

I hope to spend more time on this later next week.

Regards

Nigel
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Hi Nigel,

That would be great.

Are you going to generate the images on the fly or use those which MM generates for the web export? If you are going to do the former then it would be great if you could incorporate a facility to export MM slides and the Gantt chart as well as images of the map.

The slides are useful as you can have some control over the appearance and sequence. And I don't know if you've had a chance to look at ImagePrinter but I'm fairly impressed with it, though it is a little pricey and it would be great to be able to control the process of inserting images into PowerPoint, Word etc entirely from the MM end.

I'm probably telling you how to suck eggs in saying this but if you are planning to use MM's web export images bear in mind that the JPEG that MM creates of the whole map is very low resolution as it's meant to be just a thumbnail.

Good luck with it!

Regards

Alex
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Hi Nigel
That sounds great.  For me I would be happy with a set of images in a folder.  I agree with Alex re: resolutions
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Lenn, Alex,

I just did some experimenting with the images from the zip and the map below shows the results.


I adjusted the margins and image alignment to make the text appear centered on the Topic.
As you can see from the colored Topics the transparency works quite well.

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Hi Nigel,

These look great - I assume you have zero padding.

Cheers

Alex
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Hi Alex,

They do look good don't they? I think had the padding set at its default of 2mm.
You can play with them to see what works best.
What I am thinking of doing is creating a command in the MAP add-in that will let you apply one of these images together with margin adjustment and alignment all in one click.

Will have to check the diary! :-)

Regards
Nigel
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Hi Nige, what an elegant solution to a recurring problem, viz: how to enhance the map presentation. I've used it with the Topic Image Resize tool in MAP for MindManager, and it works great. If you can incorporate it into MAP as a function, you will be adding further value to an already extremely powerful extension to MM. Please keep the developer juices flowing - MAP4MM is one of the most significant developments to the MM suite we've seen for some time
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Colin
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Thanks Colin,

I have already got a working prototype for the MAP for MindManager command and it should be completed very shortly ;-).

It works very well but had to be made to work directly with the Map XML as the api did not support the alignment if Topic images etc.

It should hopefully make it into our first MAP for MindManager update planned for the end of this month.

Regards

Nigel

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Thanks Nigel.

That's great and I'm pleased the idea worked out so well. I look forward to seeing this added to MAP for MM.

Cheers

Alex