How to have "Enter" / "newline" & "Tab" INSIDE a "TOPIC" / sub-topic

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Could anyone suggest a WAY / Work-AROUND to have the "Enter" / "newline" & "Tab" characters inside a topic so that the topic looks like below -

Line-1
Line-2
(Tab) Line-3

INSIDE ONE TOPIC, what mindmanager currently doing is - if i've the above text in ms word -> mindmanager considers Line-1 and topic and Line-2 and Line-3 as subtopics (or Topic-1 notes)

What i want is having the above 3 lines inside the MAIN TOPIC - maintaining the (newline) and (tab)

     
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PS : I've Network builder and MAP for mindmanager Also installed
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Shift-Return will enter a line feed in Word and MindManager. You can paste Word content which has used a line feed and a tab into topic text. This is what happens for me.

You can use search and replace in Word to replace tab by x spaces and then paste into MindManager

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Thanks a LOT Andrew

Yes it worked !

1. But there is a problem ->
1.1- When i import from word and the text is having Formatted text (Bold, Underline, Font Color) - everything is lost after the import (although the linefeed is retained)
But if i Directly Copy-Paste from word to mindmanager -> All the formatting is Retained but the linefeed is considered as (newline / newparagraph) thus creating a new topic
1.2- I'm not able to import from word with formatting and linefeed both retained.
1.3- Also 'Highlights' are lost in import as well as in direct copy-paste.

2. Is there a way to import from a word document -> every H1 style item as a 'Floating topic' instead of as a sub-topic to main topic

3. Is there a way to import from a word document INTO AN EXISTING mindmap instead of creating a new mindmap after import and making the H1 items as sub-topics to a SELECTED NODE in the EXISTING MINDMAP instead of making the H1 items as sub-topics to MAIN TOPIC in a NEW MINDMAP.

(as very often it is needed to add more sub-topics to an existing mindmap / concept map)
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Andrew,

For (3) i've found a 'Partial' solution -> Using 'send to mm' from word ->
but there were 2 problems in it ->
(i) it also loses the formatting ie, Bold, text color etc
It may be because of the default theme in mindmanager which changes the formatting to the default formatting - can importing into a map in which no theme is in effect, be a solution ? but i could not find any way to do so.
(ii) any other second, third paragraphs in word, even if they are having heading styles H1, H2 etc are inserted as NOTES to the first topic in mm
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There is no "mapping" between a Floating Topic and an object or format in Word.

MindManager maps heading styles in Word to topics. MindManager's expectation is that a heading style only has one style. I know you can for example italic part of the heading .

(ii) I don't get this behaviour. When I send headings styles 1, 2 & 3 to a map I get topic 1, subtopic 2, sub-subtopic 3
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Thanks Andrew,

Anything about these 2 problems from the above post -

"1. But there is a problem ->
1.1- When i import from word and the text is having Formatted text (Bold, Underline, Font Color) - everything is lost after the import (although the linefeed is retained)
But if i Directly Copy-Paste from word to mindmanager -> All the formatting is Retained but the linefeed is considered as (newline / newparagraph) thus creating a new topic
1.2- I'm not able to import from word with formatting and linefeed both retained.
1.3- Also 'Highlights' are lost in import as well as in direct copy-paste.

2. Is there a way to import from a word document -> every H1 style item as a 'Floating topic' instead of as a sub-topic to main topic"
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G ks - re these problems:

  1. if you haven't seen it already, check out my suggestion on the other thread you also posted in regarding copying and pasting formatted and tabbed text from Word into MindManager topics.

  2.  To do this create a single floating topic in the map and make sure it is selected. Switch back to Word, highlight all the H1 paragraphs and their subheading paragraphs you want to appear in the map and click on the Send to MindManager button. Switch back to the map and all the H1 paragraphs should be attached to the floating topic with the subheadings as subtopics. Right click the "parent" floating topic and click on Delete Topic Only. The parent topic should disappear and the H1 topics will now be promoted to become separate floating topics, each with their subtopics still attached.

Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a way to combine these processes. If you want Word formatting (and also multiple lines with linefeeds and tabs) to appear together in single MMs topic you will have to copy and then paste within each topic using the process I described in the other thread; on the other hand, if you want to send batches of Word headings and subheadings to a floating topic or otherwise using the Send to MindManager button the topics lose the Word formatting and assume the default MM topic formatting as determined by MM the theme or template.

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Hi Alex,

Thank You VERY MUCH for making many things SO EASY to do.
I've gone through BOTH of your suggestions (in current thread as well as in the thread as well as in the other thread titled 'can't send only selected text of a . . . .')

I took time in trying every suggestion of yours with some more different tricks / combinations and it worked for MANY things and worked exactly as you told but it does not seem to work - the WAY it is REQUIRED.

It was miss on my side that i could not provide the EXACT requirement and problems-faced in the first post, still i thank you again that you guessed and Visualized around 90% of my requirements Perfectly.

So, I'm posting the problem and requirement again, afresh -


What i have in MS Word 2013 ->




What i want in Mindmanager ->
As it seems easier to comprehend for a 50 text-block ms word document than the mindmap
below.


What i don't want in mindmanager ->




The problem faced ->
As you told -
I am now able to successfully copy and paste ONE BLOCK FROM MS Word to mindmanager (after replacing the 'tab' by 4 spaces INSIDE WORD ITSELF) - retaining rich-text formatting (bold, font color etc)

But I actually have 50-100 such TEXT "BLOCK" in each document of MS Word - which becomes VERY time-consuming.

(A) It does not seem to be possible to bring all of those blocks from MS Word to Mind Manager - AT ONCE.

What i can BEAR ->

(1) Even if mind manager does not make those text blocks as parents-children based on their Heading formatting in MS WORD - what would do for me is ->
(a) If mindmanager is able to JUST BRING those TEXT BLOCKS from ms-word (retaining the formatting) as children of a SINGLE parent or as different floating topics (any way would suffice) - i can re-arrange them in mind manager on my own.
(b) But as we know it would be difficult to arrange them one-by-one by-hand in mindmanager if there are 50 topics - so THE BEST would be if mindmanage is able to establish the parent-child relationship also among those text blocks
(c) I tried secion-break and page-break also in ms word - but it did not give any result

(2) Some other work-around which involve any other Third-party software for 'Intermediate processing' - But FINALLY brings the topics to Mindmanager only.

(3) I've - 'Network Builder' and 'MAP for mindmanager' installed with mindmanager and 'Visio 2013', 'eDraw' and 'Inspiration' within reach if required.

(4) I tried to first copy from ms word to 'visio' but there faced 2 problems -
(a) I could not find a way to COPY-and-PASTE or Import all the text blocks from MS word to Visio into INDIVIDUAL boxes in visio
(b) Even if somehow i'm able to bring the matter from MS Word to visio into separate boxes - there seems no way to bring those boxes from visio to mindmanager as separate topics

I hope i'm more clear in my requirement and problems-faced this time.
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Hi G ks,

Yes, unfortunately that was my point - there doesn't seem to be a way to combine these approaches.

You can either use the paste into the topic option to retain multiple paragraphs and Word formatting within the same topic by importing each text block on a topic-by-topic basis - or you import the whole document at once, but end up with MindManager's topic hierarchy imposing a different topic level for each heading and also losing the Word formatting. 

Sorry I can't help you further on this - somebody may be able to come up with a macro to do this, but MindManager macros are beyond me I'm afraid!

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Actually I have just thought of one alternative that's still a bit labour-intensive but is hopefully a bit faster than copying paragraph by paragraph. It turns out you can copy quite large sections of formatted text, up to about six pages at least, from Word and paste it within a single MindManager topic using the process I described on the other thread and then split the text into separate topics.

If you do this you might have to wait a few seconds each time while MindManager processes the text and applies the formatting within the topic, but it seems to sort it out eventually. Then select the topic you have just imported and click on the beginning of the line at the first point where you want to separate the text into another topic. Go to the Advanced ribbon and under the Edit Topics tab click on Split Topic. You have a choice of how you want the split topic to appear, the relevant ones being As Topic or As Subtopic (unfortunately the Multiple Topics option won't work for you as it just splits all the paragraphs into separate topics).

Assuming you chose As Topic, the rest of the text will split from the first group of paragraphs at this point. Go to the next point where you want a topic to begin and repeat until you reach the end of the copied text. To speed things up you can add the Split Topic command to the Quick Access Toolbar or you can use the keyboard shortcuts of Shift+Alt+Down Arrow to split to create a topic and Shift+Alt+Right Arrow to create a subtopic. In both cases the text formatting should be retained, with some limitations - you will still need to convert tabs to spaces and some formatting such as tables isn't recognised within Mind Manager topics.

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Thanks Alex,

This much also seems to be a REAL A LIFE-SAVOR, for the time being.

Why i'm following this approach is because it makes a VERY BIG mind-map easier to comprehend which contains ONLY 'KNOWLEDGE' (with no 'information') in comparison to a regular mindmap with SO MANY sub-topic hierarchies (which seems easier while organizing but more difficult if trying to remember it)

Yes as you suggested, I'll replace 'tab' by '4 spaces' in MS Word itself before pasting to mindmanager - that way it won't create further problems - once copied into mindmanager.

Now only 2 issues remain -
  1. how to split topics into sub-topics based on a 'delimiter' (inserted into text in ms-word itself) instead of 'paragraph-mark' using mindmanager macro.
  2. If i'm able to split the topics in MS-Visio -> Is there a way to import / copy the topics from visio to mindmanager or export from visio to mindmanager ?
I hope it can be addressed through some mindmanager macro, i don't know about mindmanager macros but i can try my hands on it being a programmer myself.

Could you please direct me to some mindmanager macros reliable resources, starting point.
i'll update you about the progress on this matter.
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Hi G ks - I thought I had replied to this but if I did my response has disappeared.

What I wanted to say was that I agree that the approach of using a delimiter would be a great idea. As you suggest the delimiter could be inserted into the text before import to MindManager as a basis for splitting the topic, possibly through an additional action added to the Split Topic command to split whenever the delimiter occurs. Ideally this could be incorporated into the program but if this isn't possible it sounds like an ideal candidate for an add-in like MAP.

In relation to macros I suggest you contact some of the contributors to this forum like Nigel Goult or Nick Duffill. They know a lot more about macros than I do.

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Ok Thanks Alex, I'd suggest this a 'requested feature' for MAP for mind-manager.

Thanks Again Alex & Andrew, for your wonderful suggestions.