Is it possible to have ONE topic visible on TWO mindmaps?

  • 1
  • Question
  • Updated 1 year ago
Hello

This may sound bonkers, but is it possible to have one topic visible on two mindmaps?

Background
1. I want to create a large mindmap of stuff broken down into a subject area hierarchical tree.
2. I then want to add actionable tasks to that hierarchy.
3. I then want to show just those tasks - as free floating tasks, not connected to any tree -  on a completely different mindmap.  And on this mindmap the X and Y position within the map will be manually controlled so as to define the urgency and importance, respectively for each task.

i.e. What I want is that if I do anything to edit or delete one of these tasks on one mindmap, then it is becomes edited on both mindmaps at once.

And given that the X and Y coordinates of the second mindmap in effect contain the urgency and importance data of each task, it will be important for each task (i.e. each Topic) to stay put and not move nor lose it's X-Y position.

Does that make any sense?



 
Photo of John Smith

John Smith

  • 103 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes

Posted 1 year ago

  • 1
Photo of Alex Gooding

Alex Gooding, Champion

  • 886 Posts
  • 223 Reply Likes
Yes I think something like this should be possible using the dashboard map roll-up feature added in MM2017.1. I commented on this in my response to your other question on map roll-ups which I replied to before I saw this one - I posted a link there to my article on how to set up dashboard maps.
Photo of John Smith

John Smith

  • 103 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
Thanks, yes Roll-ups very nearly do what I want.  At least they seem to do it but it's rather a lot of clicks...

What I'm trying to do
Ideally what I want is to have two separate maps, if possible with the screen spit down the middle to show both maps e.g. one on the left one on the right.

On one map - call it "Map A" - I have large amount of content organised in a subject area hierarchy. In this map I would have Areas of my life broken down into Projects [possibly broken down into sub-projects] broken down into Actions.

On the other map - call it "Map B" - all the topics are free floating. And here on Map B I have only those of my Actions that are on Map A that I have decided are "live". 

So what I want to do is individually activate actions on Map A so that they now appear somewhere on Map B.   e.g. Maybe I could drag the actions from Map A to Map B. Or right click and so something to them??

Either way the key idea would be that the exact position of the Action on Map B defines both its importance and its urgency. i.e. The more urgent it was, the further to the left it would be on Map B, and the more important it was then the higher up the page it would be.

Adding an Action on Map B
The steps to create a new roll-up of an action that exists on Map A to appear on Map B seems to be slightly tortuous.

From what I can see I have to:
1. Start at Map B (rather than Map A  - not a great start! ) 
2. (Click on any topic, if no topic is already selected) 
3. (Click on Advanced tab, if not open)
4. Click on Map Roll-up
5. Click on Insert New Map Roll-up
6. Click at least once to find the file you want
7. Click open
8. Click on my Area (of life)
9. Click on my Project name  (==> may involve scrolling!)
10. (Click on my sub-project name - if any!)
11. Click on the Action I'm trying to make live on Map B

Then finally 
12. Drag the new Roll-up off to where I want it on Map B.

So that's quite a lot of clicks!

Worse, if I want to create a reverse link back from the topic that is being rolled-up to take the user back to the roll-up, that's yet more clicks.
e.g.
1. (Click on Map B tab - if necessary)
2. (Click on roll-up to select it - if necessary)
3. Control+Alt+C to Copy as link 
4. Click on Map A tab
5. Right-click on the roll-up's target topic name
6. Click on Paste
7. Click on "Paste Link"


Discussion
- It would be nice if once could copy existing roll-ups and edit them but it doesn't seem to be possible to edit roll-ups.
- It's also slightly disappointing the roll-ups don't suck down the formatting of the topic itself, although they do manage to do that for branches.

Questions
1.  Is there any way to split the screen and have different maps appear in the two halves of the screen? (From memory I think there is not...)

2. Assuming not, rather than have to click on the relevant map's tab, is there any way to change the which map is being viewed using just hotkeys?

3. Is there a quicker way of creating (e.g. editing) roll-ups.  

Cheers

J


PS Here are my suggestions for Mindjet. Please can you:
a) Make roll-ups editable.
b)  Allow paste to paste "as a rollup"
c) Allow all the formatting that is in the target topic
(e.g. background colour of whole topic
 e.g. any font size, boldness, font colour that is applied to part of topic's text)
d) Have some sort of reverse linking from the target topic back to the roll-up [??]
(Edited)
Photo of Alex Gooding

Alex Gooding, Champion

  • 886 Posts
  • 223 Reply Likes
I take your point about needing to deal with rolled up topics one at a time but I think the main issue here is that you want to a completely different structure in the rolled up map involving floating topics compared to the original hierarchical map, as well as wanting a large proportion of the topics represented this way in the dashboard map. Most of the time people would be dealing with only a subset of topics and branches in the dashboard map and they are likely to be happy for the dashboard map to preserve some of the original hierarchy, though I agree it would be helpful if there was some way to link to multiple topics in one go, or at least preserve the last linked file as a default.


In relation to your specific questions I'm away from my computer for the next few days but from memory I think the answer is "no" to the first and third questions and I'm not sure about the second.
(Edited)
Photo of John Smith

John Smith

  • 103 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
Roll-ups are both powerful and interesting.  

Obviously most people are not trying to do what am doing, but my use simply illustrates some slightly rough edges. 

To get clear when you refresh a roll-up, it sucks down certain things (e.g. the font colour) of the data source's topic, but it fails to download font changes that are applied to certain to parts of the text. e.g. If you make bold one just one word this is ignored by the roll-up, but if you bold the whole thing the roll-up sucks that down.  And what is slightly annoying is that if you apply your own formatting to the roll-up topic (e.g. you make it say italic, that is over-written by a roll-up refresh.

It's not a huge deal but it just seems inconsistent. 

J
Photo of Alex Gooding

Alex Gooding, Champion

  • 886 Posts
  • 223 Reply Likes
I agree that dashboard map roll-ups still have a few rough edges but to be fair this is a new feature and hopefully will be refined.

I also agree that roll-up topics should reproduce all the formatting of the source topic. However, if you think about it this means that a roll-up refresh should overwrite changes made in the formatting of the rolled-up topic in the dashboard map; it is just refreshing whatever changes have been made (or not made) in either the content or the formatting of the source topic since the last refresh.
Photo of John Smith

John Smith

  • 103 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
Suggestion: Maybe there could be a setting to accept or reject the formatting from the source topic.