MindJet for Writers

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Have you thought of producing and alternate version (in addition to the regular version) of MM that is geared towards writers or artistic types? MindJet Writer maybe? Besides myself, i know a LOT of artists that mindmap characters, chapters, etc. But we have to look elsewhere for less "business" type bloat which is a shame because none i have personally used is better than MindJet. After version 8, when the browser was intergrated, i lost interest in any and all future versions since they contained mainly business features which i would never use and never have. I feel you would acquire a whole new "audience" if you released an MM version for the artistic, non-business-minded in addition to your regular program. New audience, more $$$. We're out here waiting!
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Carlos Carlin Osin

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do you have any concrete ideas?... for example what would be a basic data entry template (Title, summary, text as entry fields. Automatic word count, customised tagging per map, indexing, publishing......

I am working on this, if you'd like to share ideas...

what is mindjet's position in relation to developers?

Carlos
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Sam,

I use MindManager quite a lot for preparing research reports, articles, project proposals and other non-fiction writing. It's great for this as you can attach or hyperlink research material, change section order etc.

I'm not sure how integrating the browser has an adverse impact on using MindManager for writing (especially as you can change MM to default to using an external browser) but I do agree that MM could be made more "writer friendly" - here are few quick suggestions :

1. Provide a decent notes editor.
2. Improve the export to Word process (but Opti-Word is a great third party alternative).
3. Make it possible to turn of topic numbering on a topic-by-topic basis.
4. This is a biggie - make it easier to "round-trip" a document between MM and Word.

Having said all this, there have been some incremental improvements to MM which have made it more useful for writers. These include the ability to number paragraphs in notes, the incorporation of marker indexes and improved filtering. I still prefer MM over the specialised programs for writers that I've tried, like Scrivener, which seem to have too steep a learning curve.
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I have been producing a guide to using MindManager since version 5. Here is an example for version 7.

http://cabre.co.uk/Books/AnIntroducti...

The MS Word template has
- The cover which is a linked image. Spot the difference with the standard MindManager layout.
- Header and footer
- And the font style for each heading level

The MindManager map and Word export does everything else:
- The fontispiece is the Central Topic text
- Table of Contents generated by MindManager
- All the remaining content is topic text. I use tables to position images and text.

A few page breaks are inserted in the Word file post export.
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hi Carlos,

i replied a few days ago, but when i came back, i didn't see it. thank goodness for firefox's "save form info."

anyway, here's what i wrote, but at the time, i was thinking you were a MJ programmer:

number one, as an "alternate 'MindJet Writer' version, i actually meant having *fewer* (business type) features to lessen unnecessary bloat for artists that would use it...or replace the business with features more geared for writers.

but as for ideas using the existing MMap, i think definitely a better outline form, pref one that can be docked, remain visible, or auto hidden--along with the normal mapping view. all that you stated would be excellent.

slightly unrelated, and i'm not sure if it hasn't already been done since Version 8, a way to create links within the note field (to other notes, topics, etc).

I'm not sure if it's doable, but some type of regular paging in the note field or maybe even a mini popup note-per-topic (maybe click a little symbol and a mini, simple note pad pops open so quick info/note/research/ideas are directly there with the topic) maybe even an option to send the mini note to the regular note field if one desired a bigger view.
of course, the ability to format in manuscript form (auto-paragraph indent, double spaced, chapters begin half way down the page, etc--or the ability to use such templates. maybe same for screenplays.

In short, i guess i'm saying a full fledged writing program, but with MindJet's awesome features and work flow. i personally would be unstoppable with such a program!

Sam
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hey Alex,

no way is the browser a bad feature. i may not have been clear, but it was the versions *after* version 8 when i stopped considering updating. really like your ideas.

Sam
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Andrew,

good ol' ingenuity, but i can understand how it could be done. but there's a bit more exporting and two-way communication between two major programs than i would personally like. i like doing everything in-house, so to speak. i don't even use Word.

when i used Movie Magic Screenwriter (which i abhor now), i did everything in that one program all the way down to printing in in manuscript form. same with Scrivener. And tho Scrivener is the best writing program i've ever used, i'm more comfortable with a mind map workflow--being so right-brained. once you get used to Mindjet, it's hard to use anything else even if your purpose isn't what it was made for.
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I just ran across this thread by accident, but it is exactly what I've been asking of MJ for years. I agree with Alexsg's suggestions. In fact it would help if MM actually worked as one would expect it to. The touted Word export is clumsy and doesn't work right. I've turned in requests to fix it but they haven't - for years. Futher allow a topic export to use a user template rather than force us to use the default template.

In addition to Alexsg's excellent suggestions, make the printing more useful. To print even rough drafts I have to craft my map around how much text will fit nicely on one print page. That then messes with my topic structure. It's a real mess, but MM could easily fix it. For example allow an icon to be associated with any node that would be a page number. Then when you print have a selection that prints all the nodes (allow a master selection to print all sub-nodes and another selection to print notes) with such icons and automatically move through them in order starting a new print page at each icon. Just doing that would greatly improve MM for writing. This is similar to using the filter feature, but setting up and using the filters just to print takes too much time, plus you can't guarantee the order you want.

Since MM is moving more toward project and task management, I too have wondered if I will have to someday abandon it and simply use Word. Currently I use Word for final output, but thinking of using it in the creation stage is a nightmare.

I's really like to see MJ listen to this thread. Using MM for writing and research and having it work far more smoothly with Word could open MM to new customers.
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i'm glad i started this. catching on slowly, but growing. so maybe some day they'll listen.
what confuses me (and call me cynical) is that i thought everything was about money, and i can see this being an excellent way to market MM as an alternate, spin-off program that would generate an entirely new audience.
Progs like Scriverner (for Windows) is great, but a bit linear for my taste. still, because of its features, i've moved from MM pretty much. miss it though.
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I agree that more writer friendly would encompass a whole new market and entrench the brand. I use MJ extensively for academic writing and would really love to be able to keep a track of word count for individual topics and sub topics . That way I can see how much more research or input I have to do for each topic and keep it balanced. I think it would halve my time to put out a paper. Very valuable feature to have!
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Alan's suggestion of word count would be important to me too. I often have to export to Word just to see what the word count is.
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I use MM in an academic medicine environment and it is my workhorse for grant writing, manuscript outlining, and presentation development. I recently submitted an NIH grant developed with MM but "chickened out" of actually writing the subsections with MM due to patchy Word export (especially on Mac platform) and lack of reference management. Would love to see MM/Mindjet integration of reference management. Could be done with local software via Endnote or with cloud approach via Endnote Web or Mendeley.