How to freely move topics within a map

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So I'm a NovaMind user that is trying to us MindMap for the Mac.  Gotta say I'm somewhat frustrated at the moment.  I'm trying to create maps that represent experimental designs so I have a somewhat "organizational" layout (operators, instruments, reagent lots, days).  I'm trying to move main topics so that they are on the same level horizontally but not too close.  I've looked at the manual.  Found the little (really little ) dot to click upon and drag my topic box and it's a totally worthless endeavor as the topic does not stay where I've told it to move.  In fact I've tried to move the dang topic down and it moves up when I let go of the mouse button.  What the heck?  

You can see here that I've not been able to get both topics to just sit side by side.  This was a no brainer in NovaMind so what gives MindManager?  If there some grid that I need to turn off?  Thanks,

DMW
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Hi Diane I fail to see your issue, are you using MindManger and what version? 
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I can't do anything about the fact that you failed to see my issue, but my issue does exist. Look at my picture again please, I cannot get operator one to be at the same level as operator two no matter how hard I try no matter how I try to move operator one. What is the trick? As I said before I've even tried to move the operator one down with a little operator to and the software actually moves it higher . I'm using the most current version of this software for the Mac. Am I grabbing the Wong spot on the topic to move it, I'm trying to grab the black dot at the top of the topic box?
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Sorry didn't mean to be facetious.  It's difficult to see from a picture.  You have set the Topics to 'Organization' layout?  Pl send me a copy of your Map and I'll have a look: colin@visualthinking.co.za
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The good news is that most of the pictures on this forum can be clicked on to enlarge them (even though you won't see your mouse pointer change when hovering over an image). :)

However, you're not able to freely move the topics in MindManager to have operator one and operator two on the same level. You might achieve this by change the structure of your map and playing the the margins...
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Hi Mathieu So can you see what is wrong in Diane's map? - I cannot re-produce this effect myself
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Although I don't have a Mac...Pity Me....

but I do know from my wife's experience that:
if the options are all set correct, and no "rubber band" is selected, the mac does have some strange effects, that occur every now and than.
Maybe it happened because  you make one topic an orgchart  and the main topic incl other one in a later stage?

Please retry to make an orgchart layout from the main topic down. Select the number of levels you want to have orgchart style and see what happens.
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Hi Ary I do have Mac & I cannot re-create this  The Org chart layouts work perfectly in MindManager V10 for Mac. Formatting the Map or individual Topics
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the discussion, but I want to make sure I understand one important point.

Is it true that Mindmanager will NOT let me place elements within a map wherever I want to place them?  

I hope that this is not the case but if it is I will stop wasting my time, and go back to NovaMind.

To be clear, I've been using the dot at the top of either operator 1 or operator 2 to move these elements where I want them to be.  Problem is that the software does not place them where I've placed them, it either snaps back to where it was or it moves it in the opposite direction (up instead of down).  

 Is there an inspector that sets the limits on how close topics or subtopics can be?  I can alter this in NovaMind.  

I don't know what "rubber band" is or if it's a default, I'm looking for free layout option if possible. 

I was working with this a few weeks ago and didn't seem to having this issue but now I don't know what is going on (previously I thought I was able to move thing so some extent but didn't have things move up when I had tried to move them down).  I was using a combination of "organization" and "tree" and that was working out okay.  I don't want to have to deal with margins unless we are talking about rules on how close elements of a map can be.  

I want to make sure I'm using the right "handle" to move the elements that I can move.  

I'm going to see if I can attach the file, but I don't see how I can do this.  Please advise.    

Thanks again,
DMW
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The MM for MAC User Guide gives you this info.
MOVING AND COPYING TOPICS WITH DRAG AND DROP
Drag topics to reorganize your map. In this way you can reposition main topics, floating topics and callouts. When you move main topics they are automatically positioned at an optimal location in Map View. If you want more freedom in positioning main topics, drag using the topic handle. Callouts can be repositioned around their parent or moved or copied to become a normal topic.
To move or copy topics and floating topics:
1. Select a topic in Map View or Outline View. Its subtopics will move with it automatically.
2. Drag the topic to the new location. A visual cue shows the topic destination.
To make it a floating topic, hold the Shift key as you drag and drop to prevent it from attaching to another topic.
3. Drop the topic.
To copy the topic, hold down the Option key as you drop.
To reposition main topics freely:
 Drag the topic using the topic handle. The handle will turn black to show that you have positioned this topic freely.
» » » » » » Drag using the main topic handle to position main topics freely.
 To return the topic to its optimal location, Control-click the topic and choose Reset Position in the shortcut menu.
HINT: If you don't see main topic handles, they may be hidden. Choose View > Show & Hide and un-check Main Topic Handles to show them.
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Your statement:
"I was working with this a few weeks ago and didn't seem to having this issue but now I don't know what is going on (previously I thought I was able to move thing so some extent but didn't have things move up when I had tried to move them down).  I was using a combination of "organization" and "tree" and that was working out okay.  "

This may be the reason why Colin can't reproduce what you see.

The most obvious reason why this happens is that  there must be something that has changed the settings - or preference-  of your MAC since, Do a repair or re-install of MindManager normally helps.
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Is it true that Mindmanager will NOT let me place elements within a map wherever I want to place them?  
Yes, it's not as free in dragging around as Novamind.

Using the default map format I'm unable to recreate the map shown in the first screenshot:


However, when using de little handle above Operator 2 I'm able to recreate the map (notice the black dot above operator two which indicated I've dragged this topic):
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Hi Matthieu,

You are right. It works exactly as described in the MindManager for MAC User Guide (see the excerpt in my earlier post ;-)
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Hi Guys,
  Thanks for the manual information, I read that before I posted to this venue, but I guess you missed that part in my original post.  So the only thing to "grab" when trying to move shapes is the black dot.  I had also stipulated this in my original email so that you would know what I was doing.  Sounds like there isn't something else that I should be doing or doing instead.  It's just how the SW works.  

The frustrating part here, gentlemen, is the fact that the SW does NOT place things where the user wants, even though it's called "drag and drop".   It will place them with some constraint that I can't alter (does not seem to be an option here), and for the life of me I can't figure out why when I want to move things just a fraction of inch down it moves things up!  There is no fine adjustment.  

I don't think I need to reinstall, but we will see.  

Not as user friendly as I was lead to believe from a colleague.  I only switched as I'm opposed to SW companies that are moving to yearly subscriptions.  I think we get gouged quite enough as it is.  

One last thing I'd ask for clarification on, what was meant by "rubber band" and how do I make sure that this is not "on" or selected?  

Thanks for clarifying some things and helping be sure that I've not misread anything.  

DMW